Matt talks to Kathleen, an author, activist and professor about her new book, Great Tide Rising: Finding Clarity and Moral Courage to Confront Climate Change, which makes a case for why a moral and ethical imperative must underlie a commitment to widespread environmental change. They discuss environmental values that could and should appeal to conservatives, the challenges for an increasingly urbanized population to access nature and the contradictions found in bemoaning modern civilization — while also benefiting from it.
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